Journalist Andy Kroll joins us to discuss his story in The California Sunday Magazine, “The Great Exception: California vs. Trump,” the first part in a series about the relationship between California and Donald Trump’s Washington. Kroll looks at how hours after the election, California’s political leaders began to reckon with the state’s place in the American scheme of things under a hostile president and administration. The piece considers whether Trump’s election may be “an opportunity for California to show a new way forward.”